Q: What sort of
inter-faith dialogue work have you been engaged in?
A: I was ordained as a rabbi by the Jewish Theological
Seminary of America in New York, in 1964. JTSA is the
central institution of the Conservative branch of Judaism,
a movement which embraces the principle of the authority
of halakhah, traditional Jewish law, but views it as a
dynamic system which draws on the authority of revelation
but views its continuing interpretation and development as
both central and legitimate. I have spent my entire career
in the service of the Jewish community, working in two
principal areas: education and public policy. I have
served as Professor of Rabbinics and Dean as well as vice
president at the Jewish Theological Seminary, at the
University of Judaism in Los Angeles, California, an
institution founded by the JTSA in the early 1950s, and as
the Executive Vice President of the American Jewish
Committee, a major national Jewish organization devoted to
human rights and Jewish and American public policy issues.
I established a national Jewish “think tank” called the
Wilstein Institute of Jewish Policy Studies in 1988 in
California. I continue to direct the Institute and moved
its center to Boston when I arrived there in 1993 to
assume the presidency and Professorship of Rabbinics at
Hebrew College, an eighty-year-old institution of higher
Jewish learning. Hebrew College has just established a
Rabbinical School, the first “religious” program in the
school which is an institution open to people of all
faiths which specializes in all aspects of Jewish culture
and civilization as opposed to offering specifically
religious training.
I have been involved in interfaith activities since my
student days when I participated in the Jewish Theological
Seminary’s Institute for Religious and Social Studies, an
inter-religious graduate school program. In California, I
served as vice-president of the Academy for Judaic,
Christian, Islamic Studies, which held public “trialogue”
conversations at universities as well as in synagogues,
mosques and churches. I was co-author with Rev. Dr. George
Grose and Imam Dr. Muzamil Siddiqi of a book called “The
Abraham Connection, A Jew Christian and Muslim in
Dialogue.” In Boston, I co-chaired with the Cardinal and
Imam Talal Eid an Institute called the Archives for
Historic Documentation, an off-shoot of the Harvard
University Semitics Museum. Hebrew College recently built
a new campus on land acquired from the Andover-Newton
Theological School, the oldest independent Protestant
Seminary in the United States. Hebrew College has a range
of joint programs with ANTS. An important one, undertaken
at my initiative, was the creation of the Interreligious
Center on Public Life, whose purpose is the exploring of
insights from Judaism, Christianity and Islam relating to
matters of public policy, including such areas as human
rights and bioethical issues.
A number of inter-religious teaching activities go on,
including a course in the Qu’ran for Hebrew College
faculty taught by a Muslim Scholar. I am also a
participant in the Boston College Center for the Study of
Jewish-Christian Relations.
Q: How do you see the question of dialogue while still
respecting the autonomy of the religion of the other?
A: Dialogue only has meaning if it respects the autonomy
of the other; absent that respect we have monologue. It is
for each religious community, or those from each community
who choose to participate in inter-religious conversation,
to determine the terms under which he or she enters that
conversation, the goals of the conversation and
expectations from the process. True conversation may
uncover areas of convergence but is most important in
helping to understand areas of divergence. The question
for participants is: Is that divergence threatening or
problematical, or can it be a source of enlightenment and
enrichment by broadening the perspectives and insights on
the experience of being human that one gains from one’s
own religious tradition.
Q: What role do social liberation and spirituality that
transcends confessional borders have to play in your
understanding of inter-faith dialogue?
A: All religious traditions embody visions of a world
transformed into something better than its current
reality. Certainly, Judaism, Christianity and Islam are
teleological and “messianic” in that they look forward to
an ultimate redemption. In Jewish tradition, human beings
are known as God’s partners in the work of redeeming the
world and shaping a better and transformed reality. In my
view the highest forms of religious activity are to seek
to relate to the transcendent dimension of human
experience and to work to redeem the world. I try to
respond to this religious calling out of my tradition and
culture, but I seek partners for this work from people of
other traditions who inspire me, teach me, and remind me
of the need for humility, the reality that none of us can
legitimately claim exclusive access to truth which is
God’s alone. In my view the spiritual and social
transformation experiences of others are vital to my own
spiritual strength.
Q: How do you think it is possible for missionary
religions to genuinely respect the 'other' without simply
seeking to convert the 'other' to oneself?
A: While openness to others who seek to join a religious
tradition and community is no problem, active missionizing
makes inter-religious conversation difficult if not
impossible. Missionizing implies relegating the tradition
of the other to an inferior position. It embodies an
arrogation of truth to one’s own tradition and therefore a
rejection of the otherness of the other. Each religious
individual, and our religious communities, must decide
what is more important: to view the otherness of the other
as part of God’s plan for the world from which we all can
learn, or as a challenge and an affront which we are
commanded to work to remove by attempting to transform the
other into a copy of one’s self. Only the first attitude
allows for genuine inter-religious conversation. The
second makes it impossible.
Q: Dominant forms of religion often stress the
externalities of the law and ritual over the inner
spiritual core. What barriers or challenges do you think
this poses to inter-faith dialogue?
A: While some interpretations of halakhah in Judaism or
shari’a in Islam suggest that inter-religious conversation
is forbidden, other interpretations reject this view, and
adherents of these traditions have found ways of dealing
with legal impediments to inter-religious conversation. In
Jewish tradition, non-Jews are not obligated to observe
the halakhah but only certain fundamental ethical values
such as rejecting idolatry and incest, formulated as the
“Noachide laws.”
Life presents us with perceptions and experiences which
sometimes appear to be, if not in conflict with one
another, at least, in “tension” with one another. One of
these “dyadic pairs” is independence-dependence. Our
religious traditions and communities have separate
histories and trajectories which have shaped powerful and
impressive religious cultures and rich community life. But
more than ever before, these independent religious
communities and cultures must come to terms with the
reality of the interdependence of all humanity. Prior to
our identity as Jew, Christian or Muslim, prior to our
identity as male or female, as Indian, British or
American, is our fundamental human identity. Both the
nobility and the tragedy of human experience are
universal. They cross religious and national lines. This
must be part of the religious insight and teaching of all
religious traditions. Our very survival on this planet is
dependent on our successfully navigating this dyadic pair.
Q: What sort of interactions have you had with Muslim
groups, and what have their reactions been to your own
inter-faith dialogue efforts?
A: Some of the most moving experiences of my life have
come in the context of interacting with Muslims. I recall
one of our trialogue programs at a mosque in California. A
Muslim woman who was a member of the audience was in tears
when she told me that she had not believed that such a
program was possible and that if she had not known that I
was a rabbi she would have thought she was hearing an
Imam. I would often ask my colleague and friend Imam
Siddiqi what he as a Muslim would like me to know and feel
about Islam, knowing as he did that I was not going to
embrace Islam as my faith. My friendships with Muslims
(and Christians, for that matter) have been meaningful and
nurturing (I hope for both sides) not in spite of our
differences but precisely because of these differences.
The principal challenge: See difference as a potential
blessing and not as a problem and challenge.
Q: How do you see contemporary Jewish-Muslim relations and
prospects for dialogue between the two?
A: The current state of Jewish-Muslim relations is mixed.
There are serious efforts to build bridges of
understanding and mutual respect in Israel, Europe and the
United States, but political controversy, particularly
over Israel-Palestine, compounded by continued violence
and a lack of quality leadership on both sides, all
contribute to a troubled relationship. While efforts to
build human bridges must continue, so that the other is
viewed as a person and not simply as a disembodied
political adversary, our religious traditions themselves
have a great responsibility in this area. Judaism and
Islam must begin to teach a different view of the other
than that which has characterized their teaching in the
past. Instead of sustaining exclusive claims to truth and
virtue, our religious leadership and educational
institutions must attune their constituents and students
to being able to hear, understand and respect competing
narratives. The past can not be undone, but a future must
be constructed which is sensitive to these competing
narratives, both of which are true! A two-state solution
to the Israel-Palestine issue appears to be the only
approach but the objective should not be isolating the two
communities even if that is necessary for the moment to
deal with violence and passions on both sides, but rather
creating interrelationships, economic, social and
cultural, which can be enriching and ennobling on both
sides. Religious leadership has a major role to play in
encouraging the respective communities to seek this
resolution, which can not only ease the current
catastrophic relationship, but which can bring us closer
to the fulfillment of a redeemed world in which we can
live together in mutual respect and be enhanced by the
presence of the other.